Stable Diffusion - Juggernaut XL V8 vs V9 - Is one better?
TLDRIn this video, Rodney from Kleebz Tech compares the Juggernaut XL V8 and V9 checkpoints, addressing the common question of which version is superior. He explains that a higher version number doesn't necessarily mean better performance, as different checkpoints may yield varying results with the same prompts. Rodney notes that V9 was trained with the Run Diffusion photo model, potentially offering better results with photographic images. Through a series of comparisons using identical prompts, he observes that while V9 often provides more detailed outputs, V8 performs almost as well, especially when using Fooocus V2. Rodney concludes that for simple prompts, V9 tends to give better results, but for more detailed prompts, the difference is less noticeable. He suggests that users could benefit from using both checkpoints depending on the task. The video also teases an upcoming complete reboot of the Juggernaut model.
Takeaways
- 🔢 Higher version numbers don't always mean better performance; it depends on the specific use case and prompts.
- 📈 Version 9 was trained with the Run Diffusion photo model, which may make it better for photographic images.
- 🔍 Rodney tested both versions with the same settings and prompts to compare their performance.
- 📂 To download checkpoints, visit the Civit AI website and look for the version numbers indicated at the top.
- 📁 After downloading a checkpoint, place it in your checkpoint folder within the Fooocus models directory.
- 🔄 If Fooocus is running while downloading, refresh all files to make the new checkpoint available.
- 🎨 Most images were generated without Fooocus V2 or styles to evaluate the models' standalone performance.
- 🤔 Results from the same seed can be similar for both versions, indicating shared training similarities.
- 🖼️ Version 9 sometimes provided more detailed images, but the improvements were not consistent across all prompts.
- 🔄 When Fooocus V2 is enabled, Juggernaut XL8's results were comparable to Version 9.
- 🎭 For certain image types like movie posters, results can be hit or miss, and there's no clear winner between the versions.
- 🆕 The next version of Juggernaut is expected to be a complete reboot with better labeling and organization.
- ➡️ Overall, Version 9 tends to give better results with simple prompts, but detailed prompts show less difference between the versions.
Q & A
What is the main topic of the video?
-The main topic of the video is a comparison between the Juggernaut Version 8 and Version 9 checkpoints in the context of image generation.
Why might a higher version number not always indicate a better checkpoint?
-A higher version number might not always be better because the checkpoints can work differently, and results from familiar prompts might change when moving from a lower to a higher version.
What was the biggest change in Version 9 of Juggernaut according to the creator?
-The biggest change in Version 9 was that it was trained using the Run Diffusion photo model, which might make it better with photographic images.
Where does the speaker usually get most of the checkpoints?
-The speaker usually gets most of the checkpoints from the Civit AI website.
What does the speaker suggest doing if you download a checkpoint while Fooocus is running?
-If you download a checkpoint while Fooocus is running, you should hit the 'refresh all files' button and then choose the downloaded checkpoint from the dropdown.
What is the speaker's overall impression of Version 9 based on simple prompts?
-The speaker's overall impression is that Version 9 gives better results with simple prompts.
What does the speaker suggest about using both checkpoints?
-The speaker suggests that there's no reason not to use both checkpoints if you find one does better with one type of prompt over the other.
What is the expected next version of Juggernaut?
-The next version of Juggernaut is expected to be a complete reboot with relabeling and improved features, likely after the stable Cascade version.
How does the speaker decide which version of an image looks better?
-The speaker decides which version looks better by comparing the details, color, and overall feel of the generated images side by side.
What is the speaker's approach to testing the checkpoints?
-The speaker's approach to testing the checkpoints is to run a variety of prompts through both versions with the same settings and compare the results.
What does the speaker recommend for viewers interested in testing different image types?
-The speaker recommends leaving prompts in the comments for testing, ensuring they are YouTube-friendly and not too long.
What is the speaker's final advice to the viewers?
-The speaker's final advice is to keep creating and to consider hitting the like button if the video was helpful.
Outlines
🤖 Juggernaut Version 8 vs. Version 9 Comparison Overview
Rodney from Kleebz Tech discusses the differences between Juggernaut Version 8 and Version 9 checkpoints. He addresses common questions about which version is superior and explains that a higher version number does not necessarily mean better performance. Rodney mentions that Version 9 was trained with the Run Diffusion photo model, which might make it better suited for photographic images. He shares his personal testing experience by running various prompts through both versions and comparing the results. Rodney also provides instructions on how to obtain and implement the checkpoints, specifically mentioning the Civit AI website. He acknowledges the contributions of Dave, who provided coffee and valuable insights. The video includes a side-by-side comparison of images generated by both versions, with observations on their quality and differences when using or not using Fooocus V2. Rodney concludes that Version 9 generally performs better with simple prompts, while more detailed prompts show less difference between the versions.
🖼️ Detailed Analysis of Image Results from Juggernaut Versions
In this paragraph, Rodney provides a detailed analysis of the image results generated by Juggernaut Version 8 and Version 9. He discusses specific examples, including a watercolor painting of a Hobbit Hole, a die-cut sticker, a portrait of a Stormtrooper on his wedding day, and a DND map for printing. For each example, Rodney shares his observations on the quality and differences between the images produced by the two versions. He notes that some images are very similar, while others show distinct differences in color, detail, and overall appearance. Rodney expresses his preferences where he has a clear opinion and acknowledges the subjectivity in evaluating the images. He concludes by stating that Version 9 tends to give better results with simple prompts, and he encourages viewers to use both checkpoints if they find one version performs better for certain tasks. Rodney also mentions the upcoming release of a new version of Juggernaut and a stable Cascade version. He ends by inviting feedback and suggestions for testing prompts, emphasizing a desire to explore different image types in future tests.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Stable Diffusion
💡Juggernaut XL V8
💡Juggernaut XL V9
💡Checkpoints
💡Run Diffusion photo model
💡Prompts
💡Fooocus V2
💡Civit AI
💡Image Generation
💡Photographic Images
💡Version Numbers
Highlights
Rodney from Kleebz Tech compares Juggernaut Version 8 and Version 9 checkpoints.
Higher version numbers do not always equate to better performance.
Version 9 was trained using the Run Diffusion photo model, potentially improving photographic image results.
Rodney ran various prompts through both versions to compare their performance.
The Civit AI website is a recommended source for downloading checkpoints.
Instructions on how to download and implement the checkpoints in Fooocus are provided.
Dave's contribution of coffee and ideas is acknowledged.
Version 8 and Version 9 produced very similar images on the same seed.
Version 9 appears to have more detail in prompts, as noted in the improvements.
With Fooocus V2 enabled, Juggernaut XL8's performance is comparable to Version 9.
For the watercolor painting of a Hobbit Hole, both versions produced nearly identical results.
In a photographic image comparison, Version 9 included additional details like mist.
For die-cut sticker examples, both versions performed well, with a slight preference for Version 8.
In the portrait of a Stormtrooper on his wedding day, both versions handled the task differently.
The SC Color Splash photo of a blue phone booth showed a preference for Juggernaut 8's result.
Version 9 demonstrated better results with simple prompts in general testing.
For detailed prompts, the difference between the two versions was less noticeable.
The next version of Juggernaut is expected to be a complete reboot with improved labeling.
Viewer feedback may lead to more comparison videos and exploration of new models.